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	<title>Comments on: On CSME, the harsh reality is &#8211; Barbados can&#8217;t do without it</title>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/us.png" alt="United States" />&#160;Marsha <small id="gs_author_location">from California, United States</small></title>
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		<dc:creator><img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/us.png" alt="United States" />&#160;Marsha <small id="gs_author_location">from California, United States</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read all of the comments thus far and I must say that it is highly interesting debate. I am inclined to agree with Marginal who brought some clarity to the matter amidst all the anger, racism and anti Bajan/Trini comments. The truth is the Caribbean is still filled (even in 2009) with ignorance, selfishness and arrogance which continues to cloud our judgements and hinder our progress. The CSME like the EU and all other blocks of this kind will have its challenges as we try to implement amidst the vast cultural difference that preciptate our thinking (trust me I am a trini in Jamaica and I have realized that we are all carribbean people but we are really diiferent). 

We are small nations in the scheme of things; some of dots on the map. Why do we believe that if we ban together it would be to our detriment? Why are we so arrogant that we believe that peoplen are going to take what is righly ours? Isn&#039;t it better for us to concentrate on finding the best solutions, implement good systems to try to alleviate some of the negatives of CSME -instead of bashing it. 

Let us be our honest, our comments come from our fears. Fear has no place in progress. CSME can work if implemented properly. Infact, today Trinidad has more jamaicans working there than 7 years ago; Engineers who are making a differece. In fact, Trinidad has a problem getting people to work as cashiers, perhaps there are guyanese, jamaicans who could offer this service. The possibilities are limitless. Let us not limit our minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read all of the comments thus far and I must say that it is highly interesting debate. I am inclined to agree with Marginal who brought some clarity to the matter amidst all the anger, racism and anti Bajan/Trini comments. The truth is the Caribbean is still filled (even in 2009) with ignorance, selfishness and arrogance which continues to cloud our judgements and hinder our progress. The CSME like the EU and all other blocks of this kind will have its challenges as we try to implement amidst the vast cultural difference that preciptate our thinking (trust me I am a trini in Jamaica and I have realized that we are all carribbean people but we are really diiferent). </p>
<p>We are small nations in the scheme of things; some of dots on the map. Why do we believe that if we ban together it would be to our detriment? Why are we so arrogant that we believe that peoplen are going to take what is righly ours? Isn&#8217;t it better for us to concentrate on finding the best solutions, implement good systems to try to alleviate some of the negatives of CSME -instead of bashing it. </p>
<p>Let us be our honest, our comments come from our fears. Fear has no place in progress. CSME can work if implemented properly. Infact, today Trinidad has more jamaicans working there than 7 years ago; Engineers who are making a differece. In fact, Trinidad has a problem getting people to work as cashiers, perhaps there are guyanese, jamaicans who could offer this service. The possibilities are limitless. Let us not limit our minds.</p>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;Russel M. <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></title>
		<link>http://www.antillean.org/2008/10/30/on-csme-the-harsh-reality-is-barbados-cant-do-without-it/comment-page-1/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator><img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;Russel M. <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://blog.bajandream.org/2008/09/26/a-taboo-critique-of-the-csme/

*Forgot the link..</description>
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<p>*Forgot the link..</p>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;Russel M. <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></title>
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		<dc:creator><img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;Russel M. <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no... &quot;they&quot; have arrived. Either way, I find myself torn between this article and the other CSME article here. Is there a middle ground? Can&#039;t we do everything else in CSME *except* migration for now? By migration I mean European modeled free movement of ALL nationals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no&#8230; &#8220;they&#8221; have arrived. Either way, I find myself torn between this article and the other CSME article here. Is there a middle ground? Can&#8217;t we do everything else in CSME *except* migration for now? By migration I mean European modeled free movement of ALL nationals.</p>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;Confused <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></title>
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		<dc:creator><img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;Confused <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can Ms. Trinidadian writer tell us exactly how Barbados will benefit from thousands of West Indians flooding Barbados, and when exactly Trinidad will open the gates to such West Indians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can Ms. Trinidadian writer tell us exactly how Barbados will benefit from thousands of West Indians flooding Barbados, and when exactly Trinidad will open the gates to such West Indians?</p>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;Russel M <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></title>
		<link>http://www.antillean.org/2008/10/30/on-csme-the-harsh-reality-is-barbados-cant-do-without-it/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator><img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;Russel M <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marginal, tourism itself may not be a frail industry but Barbados&#039; tourism product is increasingly becoming sh!t! Overpriced, not much offering - a concrete jungle that people who visit &#039;the Caribbean&#039; don&#039;t expect to see. If the Minister of Tourism isn&#039;t fired tomorrow, I&#039;d be shocked. Do you *really* think dependence on tourism ad infinitum is the best for Barbados? Or am I misunderstanding your logic? It&#039;s late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marginal, tourism itself may not be a frail industry but Barbados&#8217; tourism product is increasingly becoming sh!t! Overpriced, not much offering &#8211; a concrete jungle that people who visit &#8216;the Caribbean&#8217; don&#8217;t expect to see. If the Minister of Tourism isn&#8217;t fired tomorrow, I&#8217;d be shocked. Do you *really* think dependence on tourism ad infinitum is the best for Barbados? Or am I misunderstanding your logic? It&#8217;s late.</p>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/bb.png" alt="Barbados" />&#160;Marginal <small id="gs_author_location">from Saint Michael, Barbados</small></title>
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		<dc:creator><img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/bb.png" alt="Barbados" />&#160;Marginal <small id="gs_author_location">from Saint Michael, Barbados</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t characterise it as frail at all. Understand that Barbados has no real natural resources to speak of other than it&#039;s human resource. Tourism has survived recessions and oil shocks and terrorist attacks before and will again.

In Grenada after Ivan the first foreign exchange earning sector to recover was tourism. Agriculture probably still has not completely recovered.

If I were to look at Trinidad I would point out that it&#039;s economy hangs on oil which was great for you 6 months ago, but with the recession now looming, if Manning doesn&#039;t reign in spending I think life in T&#039;nt is going to get even tougher.  It has happened before in the 80&#039;s, it could happen again.

Tourism is by no means perfect, but there are no perfect solutions in this world. Further the tourism industry in Barbados has led to a far more equitable wealth distribution than exists in TnT currently. Apart from the hotel aspect of the industry, it has led to a number of spin offs, restaurants, cafe&#039;s,  landscapers, pool maintenance, wine merchants, spas, etc. etc. etc.

Marginal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t characterise it as frail at all. Understand that Barbados has no real natural resources to speak of other than it&#8217;s human resource. Tourism has survived recessions and oil shocks and terrorist attacks before and will again.</p>
<p>In Grenada after Ivan the first foreign exchange earning sector to recover was tourism. Agriculture probably still has not completely recovered.</p>
<p>If I were to look at Trinidad I would point out that it&#8217;s economy hangs on oil which was great for you 6 months ago, but with the recession now looming, if Manning doesn&#8217;t reign in spending I think life in T&#8217;nt is going to get even tougher.  It has happened before in the 80&#8217;s, it could happen again.</p>
<p>Tourism is by no means perfect, but there are no perfect solutions in this world. Further the tourism industry in Barbados has led to a far more equitable wealth distribution than exists in TnT currently. Apart from the hotel aspect of the industry, it has led to a number of spin offs, restaurants, cafe&#8217;s,  landscapers, pool maintenance, wine merchants, spas, etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>Marginal</p>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;Ashmita Maharaj <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></title>
		<link>http://www.antillean.org/2008/10/30/on-csme-the-harsh-reality-is-barbados-cant-do-without-it/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator><img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;Ashmita Maharaj <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marginal I agree with all your points, even the criticism. I am big enough to admit I took one, or two, below the belt jabs at Barbados, but on the note of tourism - one must admit that this is a rather frail industry to depend on, especially in the current climate. I&#039;ve also seen the exceptionally ignorant comments from some Barbadians on CSME and to be honest, it&#039;s scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marginal I agree with all your points, even the criticism. I am big enough to admit I took one, or two, below the belt jabs at Barbados, but on the note of tourism &#8211; one must admit that this is a rather frail industry to depend on, especially in the current climate. I&#8217;ve also seen the exceptionally ignorant comments from some Barbadians on CSME and to be honest, it&#8217;s scary.</p>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/bb.png" alt="Barbados" />&#160;Marginal <small id="gs_author_location">from Saint Michael, Barbados</small></title>
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		<dc:creator><img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/bb.png" alt="Barbados" />&#160;Marginal <small id="gs_author_location">from Saint Michael, Barbados</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, I agree with your main thesis but I disagree with some of your reasons for saying so.

You seem to have fallen into the fallacy that somehow a service economy is &quot;not real&quot; as opposed to one that does &quot;real things&#039; like manufacturing and minerals. To describe an industry that has underpinned Barbados&#039; economic growth for more than half a century as &quot;tenuous&quot; seems somewhat counter intuitive to me. Indeed in the light of an emerging China most of the world&#039;s manufacturing is moving towards the east. Including most of the garment manufacturing in Trinidad!

What we are witnessing is very careful political theatre on the part of our politicians. Owen Arthur was a vocal advocate for the CSME, and you can see what happened to him. Our current political directorate plays lip service to the &quot;anti immigration&quot; crowd, but when you look at their actions they have continued to push for the implementation of the CSME. Indeed the minister responsible for immigration recently urged graduates to seek work in the region!

The hard truth of the matter is that individually we are all too small to be viable in the global marketplace. Collectively we are a very small blip on the radar, but at least we show up. The EPA has shown that most metropolitan countries think of the area as one region and the logistics of dealing bilaterally with &quot;all these little rocks&quot; is simply not worth the trouble.

Some of the anti regionalism is simply thinly cloaked racism (one commenter on Barbados Underground indicated that he had no problem with black Guyanese but had problems with indian Guyanese coming to Barbados). However I would believe that the bulk of it  is simply a lack of education about the CSME and its benefits.

The average Bajan is woefully uninformed about the CSME and the benefits of being part of the CSME. Into this information vacuum pours the loudest voices on the subject, most of which comes from the nationalist (some might say almost fascist) crowd. The failure of our public figures to effectively engage in this debate is perhaps the biggest threat to the success of the CSME.

The implications of this failure to engage are quite far reaching, as the success of the Caribbean in the future is inexorably intertwined with the success of the CSME.

And this is so whether we like it or not.

Marginal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, I agree with your main thesis but I disagree with some of your reasons for saying so.</p>
<p>You seem to have fallen into the fallacy that somehow a service economy is &#8220;not real&#8221; as opposed to one that does &#8220;real things&#8217; like manufacturing and minerals. To describe an industry that has underpinned Barbados&#8217; economic growth for more than half a century as &#8220;tenuous&#8221; seems somewhat counter intuitive to me. Indeed in the light of an emerging China most of the world&#8217;s manufacturing is moving towards the east. Including most of the garment manufacturing in Trinidad!</p>
<p>What we are witnessing is very careful political theatre on the part of our politicians. Owen Arthur was a vocal advocate for the CSME, and you can see what happened to him. Our current political directorate plays lip service to the &#8220;anti immigration&#8221; crowd, but when you look at their actions they have continued to push for the implementation of the CSME. Indeed the minister responsible for immigration recently urged graduates to seek work in the region!</p>
<p>The hard truth of the matter is that individually we are all too small to be viable in the global marketplace. Collectively we are a very small blip on the radar, but at least we show up. The EPA has shown that most metropolitan countries think of the area as one region and the logistics of dealing bilaterally with &#8220;all these little rocks&#8221; is simply not worth the trouble.</p>
<p>Some of the anti regionalism is simply thinly cloaked racism (one commenter on Barbados Underground indicated that he had no problem with black Guyanese but had problems with indian Guyanese coming to Barbados). However I would believe that the bulk of it  is simply a lack of education about the CSME and its benefits.</p>
<p>The average Bajan is woefully uninformed about the CSME and the benefits of being part of the CSME. Into this information vacuum pours the loudest voices on the subject, most of which comes from the nationalist (some might say almost fascist) crowd. The failure of our public figures to effectively engage in this debate is perhaps the biggest threat to the success of the CSME.</p>
<p>The implications of this failure to engage are quite far reaching, as the success of the Caribbean in the future is inexorably intertwined with the success of the CSME.</p>
<p>And this is so whether we like it or not.</p>
<p>Marginal</p>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;Kathy Lehay <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></title>
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		<dc:creator><img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;Kathy Lehay <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moderated two very angry comments. Let&#039;s be fair to the other islands in criticizing CSME. Many of them aren&#039;t very happy about it either and I&#039;m sure would not dream to migrate from their own islands to live in Barbados. Sure, everyone&#039;s entitled to a view but it is easy to offend on issues as touchy as these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderated two very angry comments. Let&#8217;s be fair to the other islands in criticizing CSME. Many of them aren&#8217;t very happy about it either and I&#8217;m sure would not dream to migrate from their own islands to live in Barbados. Sure, everyone&#8217;s entitled to a view but it is easy to offend on issues as touchy as these.</p>
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		<title>By: <img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;CA <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></title>
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		<dc:creator><img src="http://www.antillean.org/wp-content/plugins/geosmart/flags/gb.png" alt="United Kingdom" />&#160;CA <small id="gs_author_location">from London, United Kingdom</small></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;i also believe that if she could sign out and curse you stink without losing her lil pick, she would.&quot;

I do as well.

Poor CSME. Maybe they should concentrate on the &#039;other&#039; aspects, and leave out this mass migration a la European Union for much, much later? To me, it seems like they&#039;re putting the cart before the horse. That migration policy has wreaked havoc on some EU states - especially Britain. I can&#039;t imagine how it would be for Barbados. Why are we so keen to implement that part of the CSME agreement anyway?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;i also believe that if she could sign out and curse you stink without losing her lil pick, she would.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do as well.</p>
<p>Poor CSME. Maybe they should concentrate on the &#8216;other&#8217; aspects, and leave out this mass migration a la European Union for much, much later? To me, it seems like they&#8217;re putting the cart before the horse. That migration policy has wreaked havoc on some EU states &#8211; especially Britain. I can&#8217;t imagine how it would be for Barbados. Why are we so keen to implement that part of the CSME agreement anyway?!</p>
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